#25 Ozzy Bobe—A Conversation on Growth and Hustle

In this extra special episode of the Padernacht Podcast, "Brick by Brick," host Steven Padernacht welcomes his friend and seasoned professional, Ozzy, the founder of Moving Elites (also known as @Mr.Elite or @MovingElites on Instagram).

Ozzy shares his unique journey of becoming both a licensed real estate agent and the owner of a premium moving company. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in:

Entrepreneurship and Growth: How Ozzy started Moving Elites less than two years ago and rapidly grew it to handle multiple jobs a day, including new commercial moves.

The Power of Synergy: Learning how he integrated his real estate knowledge with his moving company to create the ultimate one-stop shop experience for clients.

Business Mindset: Ozzy's philosophy of putting people first, committing to challenges ("say yes and figure it out later"), and maintaining a focus on being an affordable, trustworthy mover—your neighborhood Spider-Man of moving!

Life Balance: The struggles of balancing a fast-growing business with being a dedicated father to his 6-year-old son and maintaining strong relationships with his partner, Fancy.

Connect with Ozzy & Moving Elites:
IG: https://www.instagram.com/movingelites/
Website: https://www.movingelites.com/

Connect with Steven Padernacht & The Podcast:
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@StevenPadernacht
IG: https://www.instagram.com/steve_pad

Transcript

In a world full of bad news, this podcast is a source of good news, real talk, and real inspiration. On this show, you'll hear stories of growth, legacy, and entrepreneurship. Everyday people who overcome real challenges to build something meaningful. 

My name is Steven Padernacht, third generation Bronx born and raised in the real estate game. This is the Padernacht Podcast, Brick by Brick. Today's episode of the Padernacht Podcast, Brick by Brick, is extra special because I'm welcoming somebody who's not only a seasoned professional, but also a friend. 

You already know him on Instagram as Mr. Elite or Moving Elites. I know him as Ozzy. Ozzy's a licensed real estate agent and also the owner of Moving Elites, a moving company built on trust, precision, and making every transition feel like home. 

What's unique about Ozzy is that he not only helps clients find the right home, he also helps them move in with care, integrity, and confidence. It's the perfect brick by brick synergy between answering real estate dreams and physically moving people into their next chapter. So how's that intro for you, buddy? Bro, let me tell you something.

I want to meet that guy. You're good at that, dude. I'm going to have you call my clients, be like, first introduce me and then give me a quote. 

That was good. Yeah, well, that was a combination of, I put some prompts in there and chat GPT, and then it was a team effort, so I got to give some props to chat GPT on that. But I feel like a lot of it, there's always a sense of truth to everything. 

I met you well over a year ago, probably almost two years already, and dude, you've just been solid, bro. Really a genuine person. And that's one of the reasons why I asked you here today was just so that way you can promote your business and to get to know you a little bit better. 

Thank you. Thank you, man. Yeah, we met at Ace. 

Yeah. Yeah, man. I remember that day. 

Yep. Yep. Shout out to Sean and Dave. 

Yeah, those are my boys. For just fostering relationships and communication. Yeah, I love those guys, man. 

Sean, dude, chef. That guy's God, you need to ensure those hands burn on that. You're your connection with a stove is through Dave. 

How long you know, Dave? Oh, Jesus. Probably over a decade now. Known each other for a while, man. 

Time flies. I remember the first time I met him was in a club. Really? Yeah, dude. 

Yeah, long hair and everything. I was like, I do not like this guy. I don't trust him. 

Wait, he had long hair? Yeah, dude. Yeah, he had it in the beard. So I had the crazy beard. 

He had the beard. He looked like Thor. Yeah, a little ponytail. 

Green hat. Ponytail. Yeah. 

Ponytail. Shit, I got to find the picture, man. Yeah, but that's that's my best friend. 

That's my brother, man. That's awesome. That's awesome. 

And I can kind of see right, like when you meet people, you just like know the Wow, that was some crazy thunder. I don't know if you guys could hear that. But that was just some crazy thunder. 

That was me talking shit about Dave. Yeah, that was Thor. Told you, man. 

Oh, shit. All right. So let's get focused again.

There's gonna be a lot of that going on. Yeah, that's cool, man. So many tangents. 

Yeah, that's cool. So when you meet people, you just kind of get a vibe like me specifically, like when I meet somebody and you kind of just know that they're coming from a good place, or you can know if they're a rat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Right. And I think that's kind of what bonded us, right? Just the genuine sort of like, all right, we've been through enough shit in our lives that now it's time to put your game face on and get our shit together. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's how I felt about you, man. One of the things that I loved about you is that you genuinely love to help people. 

And throughout Ace, even before we were like formally introduced, you know, when we sat down and had breakfast or whatever, or dinner, or whatever it was, after that workout, I like saw you going from person to person. Yeah, I know this person, I'm gonna hook you up. Yeah, take down my number. 

And you know what? Like, that's one of the things that I want to get good at. You know, I want to get good at helping people be able to give opportunities. And that's one of the things that I love about my company is that I can hire people who are looking for extra work. 

Yeah. And you know, needing to pay for school or paying for their bills or whatever the case may be. So I do. 

That's one thing about you. And one thing about Dave that I learned, that I love and want to learn. Well, I think you're well on your way, man. 

I mean, like when you helped me with that move a couple weeks ago, like you had a crew there. And you could just kind of see the way you were able to walk in, assess the scene, and then put everybody kind of in the right place to make the move as smooth as possible. Yeah. 

And are those your regular guys? Yeah. So I have six, like really top notch guys that they know that I want things a certain way. And I trust them. 

And I'm going to start trusting them a little more where they're going to be on their own. So that's the goal, you know, because the company is growing. I'm getting multiple jobs a day. 

And I can't be everywhere at once. You know, so yeah, man, it's a great problem. I'm blessed. 

This is what I asked for. And God's delivering. So it's time. 

I mean, it's business. So it's scary. You know, when you grow, you have to take risks. 

And this is one of the risks that I'm willing to take. And I trust them. So I'm more than sure things are going to work out. 

I'm more than sure that there's going to be issues. And I'm just going to deal with it just like everything else. How'd you come up with the name Moving Elites? I wanted something that sounds, you know, a bit royal, something classy.

Which your logo actually exemplifies that also. Which crazy is, have you ever heard of a brand crowd? It's a website. So you basically just put in like whatever, whatever you want your logo to represent and it comes up. 

Really? Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm not that creative. 

Well, I didn't think you drew it. No. But then you said it would have been a stick figure with muscles. 

That's it. And I want to have my son draw it. So you wanted something that was like royal. 

Yeah. Something classy. Cause you know, I didn't want anything. 

I don't know. I didn't want just like a regular box and a guy picking it up or, you know, so I put that into that website and it came out with this. Nice. 

Nice. And how long has the company been around? It's about to hit two years now. Really? So just in line with when we... It's like a year and some change, probably like six, seven months. 

Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. 

And, and what kind of, um, what kind of growth do you, like you sit, you said, and I could see it on your social medias, but like, I could see that you're growing because like when you first started, when I, when we first started connecting, you know, there was a couple of moves there, but now it's like every day it's like a different location. Yeah. Every day. 

And I noticed different, different guys, right. They're always the same guys and you're in different places, different types of homes, apartments, commercial. Yeah. 

And, um, it's still growing, man. Now I'm starting to get a lot of, uh, commercial spots as well, which I'm nervous about, but I was nervous when I first started moving a apartment in the Bronx. So it's nothing, it's something that I'm, um, getting comfortable with. 

Was the bar the first commercial move? Yes. Really? I didn't want to tell you that because I really want the job. So, but yes, I think I had one small office, like, like five chairs and two desks. 

It's not really that much different, man. It's just, uh, like, so for me, I've never used a moving company in my life, by the way. Um, so hopefully I set those expectations. 

Well, you did, you just in case you go behind my back and be like, these fucking guys suck. Should've called Ozzy. What do you, uh, what do you focus on when you're, when somebody calls you up and it's like, all right, I'm looking to whatever, move my home. 

What does that process look like? It's different for everyone, man. Because the thing too, is I want to help everyone. Obviously I want to make money, but I also want to be like, uh, I don't know how to explain it.

The best way that I can explain, I don't know if it's crazy. It's like your neighborhood Spider-Man type of thing. I want to be the neighborhood mover. 

All right. I want to be family. I want us all to be family. 

So, and, um, I got to be careful about what I say to certain people, like certain clients. I can't be like, listen, if that's too expensive, let me know. And I'll work with you because everybody's going to say, yeah, that's too expensive, man. 

Let's, you know, but, um, I want to work with everyone. I'm obviously, I want to be well established. Obviously I want to be wealthy, but at the same time, I want you to feel like you can depend on me. 

Ozzy's got this. I'm going through a hard time right now, but Ozzy's going to look out, you know, or you can recommend me to someone that's having an issue. That's the key right there. 

I was just about to say that, like, even if you don't make profit on the initial trend, a huge profit, you got to make some sort of money. But even if it's not so, um, such a great profit, that person's then going to go and refer you. And so like, for me, I try my best to try to just introduce you and put you with different people. 

They may not necessarily use you, but maybe they'll refer you over to somebody. And it's happened. It's happened. 

Yeah. Isn't it cool to see it in like real time? Yeah. Yeah. 

You just got to trust the process, man. You really got to, it's business. You got to sacrifice and then hope for the best. 

Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn't just, you just got to be willing to take the sacrifice. That's it. 

And I've taken it many times and it's worked out. What are, uh, what are some of the struggles that you've had to overcome starting a business? Um, let me see. There's a lot of things that's happened. 

All right. Like moving pianos. That's my big thing. 

I didn't want to lose any business on by saying, I don't know, or I've never done that before. Literally do it. I would just commit to it. 

And this is something that I've learned recently in the business. Um, cause nobody knows what they're, what they're doing. You're winging it. 

You know, I still don't know what I'm doing. I'm just like taking it day by day. But, um, one of the struggles is having confidence, you know, but I've, I learned that I'm losing a lot of business or I was losing business about saying, oh, I don't feel too comfortable. 

I don't know. Now when people ask me, yeah, you know how to move a piano? Absolutely. Yeah. 

Here's the quote, RxChatCBT. Is this a good quote? Yeah. She gives me the okay. 

And then right after that, once I get the deal, I'm like, all right, bunch of YouTubes. How the hell do you move a piano? And it's worked out. I've moved so many that like, I can do it with my eyes closed now. 

But that's like, so before RxChatCBT and before YouTube, like that's how people learn. Like they committed to it and they went and they found a way to figure out how to be successful. So now my big thing is just say yes and then figure it out later. 

Any sort of, um, any sort of struggles or anything that stands out when it comes to like the, the, the corporate aspect of it, like, uh, you know, I'm not calling Uncle Sam, but like, you know, like dealing with like the financials, invoicing that sort of, um, aspect. Not yet. No. 

Um, I'm pretty, I'm pretty on top of that. Um, again, RxChatCBT. I'm learning how to put funds aside, uh, for rainy days, for advertising, for just about anything, you know, for rainy days. 

Um, because in the beginning it was just all compiled in one account. Of course. And I was just like spending it. 

I was like, you guys want to go to a bar? Yeah. Company. Oh, it's a tax write-off. 

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm learning how to allocate most of my money.

I think that's like one of the biggest tricks about a small business or one of the biggest misconceptions. Just because it's a tax write-off doesn't mean that it's free. Yeah. 

It just means I'm learning that now. Oh, don't worry about it. Just write it off. 

You know, I had, I had, even when I take my girl out to dinner, you can have the receipt on the back company expense. We talked about our future. Um, so how you, you are a real estate agent, right? I have a lot of realtors on this show. 

Um, how did you, um, first of all, get into real estate and then how did you that transition into also now starting this moving company? In the beginning, uh, it was my mom. Okay. So she, she's heavy into real estate. 

She loves real estate. And she was like, you should just get your real estate license. She had me like open up doors for people just to check out the place or whatever. 

And she was like, Hey, she just do it. Just get your real estate license. And obviously like, you know, like every mother that cares about you, she starts nagging and you're like, you know what? I'll do it. 

I don't want to do it, but I'm going to do it. Yeah. And then I hate to admit it. 

I kind of don't regret doing it. It was awesome. You know, look what it led to. 

Yeah. And then, um, it was, it was slow cause I didn't know what I was doing. Um, I had people help me out, explain that I have to invest in certain platforms to, you know, advertise or whatever. 

And then it picked off it, you know, it kicked off. Um, but the other thing too, I guess how moving came about is because people asked me if I knew movers. And then after a while, I think it was my dad that told me, it was like, just do it. 

Why don't you just do it? You know? So I did it and it worked out. So now what I want to do later on down the road is, um, mix the two real estate and moving all one-stop shop. And then it's basically, once, you know, you rent your house or resell your house, then you can also use this as movers as well. 

Yeah. I mean, it makes perfect sense. And I think a lot of people have this misconception about moving companies that they're super overpriced and it's super like, I'll just do it myself or I'm going to call a couple of my boys that those days don't work anymore. 

Buying pizza for your boys and you're up five flights. Nah, exactly. It's going to cost a little more than pizza, bro. 

I had a buddy of mine who just moved and I was like, bro, call, call Ozzy. Yeah. And he's like, nah, nah, I got, you know, my, my cousin and this, that, or that. 

I called him and it was like day two, day three of moving in. And I'm like, he's like, yeah, just moving. I'm like, bro, like you're still moving three days. 

Like you live in a one bedroom apartment, my man. Like what do you mean three days of moving? I've had that. I've had people call me ask for a price and I give good prices. 

I'm affordable. You know, everybody wins. I want everybody to win because obviously I want the relationship to grow and I want you to feel comfortable recommending me to other people. 

But I've had people be like, nah, I'll just do it myself. This like the next day, Hey man, how much is it just to like unload the truck and bring everybody upstairs? You know? And then I'm like, ah, it's going to cost double now. Nah, I would never do that. 

So I just kind of want to back up a little bit. So you're, uh, you're raised where? In the Bronx? What part? By Yankee, uh, Yankee stadium. Okay. 

Jerome. Jerome. Okay. 

And so, and you were there for your entire childhood until that was about like eight, nine. And then, um, I moved to midtown after that. Yeah. 

Okay. Wow. All right. 

That's a big move. Yeah. Like the Jeffersons. 

Yeah. My mom hit the jackpot. My stepdad. 

Yeah. How, so how was that transition going from, I mean, look, it was different. I'm born and raised, I'm born and raised in the Bronx and I could not imagine living on the Upper East side. 

It was different. It was way. Cause back in the day too. 

Well, during that time, everybody was wearing like their pants below their butts. And my dad was like not having that, especially where we lived at the moment. Like, um, to be honest with you, I lived there and I still went back to the Bronx cause I felt comfortable. 

But after a while, like I would go to school down the block on 77th street, my pants below my butt, my dad's like, wait, where do you think you're going? Yeah. Pick up your pants. You know? And then, um, I used to go back to the Bronx on weekends cause I felt comfortable. 

But after a while, um, you know, I made some friends and they started dressing like that. And I was like, you know what? Maybe the pants thing is kind of ridiculous. Now I can't stand it. 

I see kids with freaking pants below their butts. I'm like, what the hell are you doing? You know where that comes from, right? No, it comes from this. And again, somebody fact check me, but from what I understand, he stops, he's not your friend, bro. 

You can't call chap your friend. I call him on a first name basis cause I, I'd know him for a while. I use him for everything. 

No, I did not get this from chat GPT, but somebody fact check me on this. What I understand is that whole, um, that whole like wearing, sagging your pants comes from like prison and it was, and it was a sign to just let people know that you were available. Really? Yes. 

So you remind them, you remind the kid of that. And they're like, wait a second. Let me pick my pants.

So I didn't know that crap, man. I was going to the Bronx like that. Thanks dad. 

You saved my life. Did you ever do the, uh, the, the, the one, uh, the one wearing sweatpants, one leg up one day. I thought it was bad with a bubble. 

Yeah. That's the LL Cool J bro. Dude. 

One time I walked out of my, my house and I had on, uh, I had one pant leg up one, one sweatpants down and I had on a ski goggles. My mom was like, what? Yo, I was just thinking about that. I was just thinking of Malibu, Malibu most wanted to go for real straight out of Malibu. 

And that was the only time I ever did that. Um, but when I went to high school and I got older, it was like, wait a second, like girls don't like this. Yeah. 

And like, it's not your person. It wasn't my personality. I'm just doing it because you know, you're 12, 13 years old and growing up in the Bronx, that's what people did. 

Yeah. It's who you're around. But I find that like, as I got older and, uh, I'm sure you can relate, you start learning the type of person you are and what is important to you and how you want to represent yourself. 

Like you're always like well put together. You know what I mean? Like every time I see you, you're, you know what I mean? Like you don't, you always show well. And I think that for me, I noticed that in business, even when you're not quote unquote on the job, we're always on the job. 

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. 100%. 

And that's one of the things that I need to work on to man balance. Cause I have my phone all the time. I'm constantly thinking about how to make the business better, how to make myself better, you know, better leader. 

And I need to take a break from it. Cause you burn out after a while. Oh yeah. 

It always comes down to scheduling. Yeah. Right. 

Like I heard you're really good at scheduling. I think I was talking to, uh, uh, Vanessa about it. She was like, he's like, yeah, yeah. 

Like a, uh, like a drill sergeant, man. But that's awesome though. That doesn't come without 40 some odd years of being completely unscheduled. 

Yeah. That only comes because I feel like I'm at a stage in my life where like, I want to be the best version of myself. Like when I pray, I pray for the part of my prayers to give myself the, um, ambition, uh, drive and wisdom to be the best version of myself.

And I feel like scheduling is something that I was really terrible at. So now I'm trying to be really good at it. Yeah. 

I think you're good at it. I need to learn. I really need to have a balance because I'm starting to feel guilty about certain things. 

Like my son is now asking me, you're still working. Uh, like you're supposed to play video games with me. You're supposed to.

So I'm trying to find that balance before it's too late. You know, I don't want to have any regrets. Yeah. 

Well, I mean, how old is your son? He's six. He's six. So he's at that age where he remembers. 

Yeah. And he's, he's like quick. He, you met him. 

Oh yeah. The day that we, uh, the day that you met him, he was upset because he wasn't included in the video with Vanessa and I for the thing. And then you came after I was like, no, it's just me and her.

So then you came and he saw, and then when I walked in, he was like, so, but he gets to go on. So that's why when you came in and you were trying to like dap him up, he was like, yeah, okay. So I explained it to him and I was like, that's not nice. 

That's daddy's friend. He was like, all right, I'll apologize. But I just didn't like that. 

He was in the video and I wasn't six-year-olds. Yeah. So that's why he FaceTime. 

He was like, I'm sorry. You know, but that, that schedule. So here's something that I learned, right. 

And I'm just kind of, so, and again, from 40 years of fucking up and not having a balanced life, like you have like five to seven areas of your life, right? You got your spiritual life, your physical life, your relationships, um, family life, job business, right? So let's just say those are, you have to figure out like how to schedule all seven of those things in your life and figure out what the most important thing is the lead domino in each one of those things. And just focus on that. So for example, like with your kid, right? Like sit with him. 

He's old enough to be like, Hey, okay, cool. So you know what? Daddy works a lot, right? So tell me what you want to do this week. You pick something and then make sure that he gets to be involved in it. 

And then at least that way, you know, and you make your schedule around that. Yeah. And at least, you know, that you covered his needs and then with your, with your lady and, and with work and job and so on and so forth, like that will help you, you know, get more balanced. 

Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm getting him a little involved in, um, in work as well. Like after the jobs, he'll come with me. 

I'll pick him up. We'll go. And then he'll get like all the blankets, fold them and push them. 

I'll give him like five bucks. And now he's starting to learn about estimates. Oh my dude. 

It's so funny. So I'll have like five estimates lined up and he'll look at them and I'd be like, all right, now we're going to send them. I explained to him what they were. 

I'm like, all right, I'm going to send them. And if they say yes, we're going to get Pokemon cards. If no, then we're just going to have to wait for the next one. 

So dude, I'll send, and then we'll just waiting there. And he's just like shaking his foot. Did they say yes or no? I got to know, like, am I getting Pokemon cards? Or I hope they're not all clients like me that take like a week. 

Oh my God. I don't even, I don't even tell him that I'm sending you anything. Cause if not, he's going to hate you. 

You send Steve. Yep. Forget it. 

I'm not getting Pokemon cards for a year. I got you, bro. I got you. 

Or I'll change the date five times. Oh my God. Dude. 

You know what it is though? Like, especially with, so with that commercial move specifically, right? Like I kept pushing the date back because I didn't have a firm date. So the first date I gave you was whatever, June 30th, but then it got pushed back to July 30th. Then it got put, you know what I mean? But that happens. 

That's like part of the game. You just got to always be ready. And I kept buying more time, like with, in the situation that I was in, I don't want to go into too much detail, but I kept buying more time. 

So it was for me to be able to afford, to be able to, you know, make some money and do what I had to do. That's why I understood. Once you explained it to me, I was like, oh, that makes, I would have done the same thing, dude. 

You got to just try to, you know, and that's business, right? Like you just have to figure it out. And I was just lucky enough that you were able to move the things around and, oh, actually pun intended. And then move the stuff. 

Yo, but even that small move you did for me recently, right? Like, like just going and picking up couches and dropping them off. Like that's super convenient, bro. Like I did not want to go spend the time to go do that.

Yeah. People have no idea how, like when I move, I'm hiring movers. Like I'm not moving my own stuff. 

I'm a mover and I'm not doing it. I just can't do it. You know? So it's, it's convenient.

It's really convenient because now you have people like, oh, it's like 200, 300 bucks to move a couch or whatever. Okay. But now that you have time to focus on something else, that's probably going to make you even more money. 

That's it. You know? So I haven't been back to U-Haul since, bro. I need to go move them. 

I need to go close out one locker and go to the other one. I'm about to pay you for that. Just move it across. 

People do that, man. I have clients now that go shopping for like furniture and then just send me to go pick it up. And then I'll do it while they're not home. 

Set everything up, assemble everything and then just, that's it. Bro, that's super convenient. I have clients that I haven't even met on Yelp. 

Really? Yeah. Like they'll sell me and then that's it. Maybe I'll like on FaceTime. 

That's it. But besides that, it's just do the job, send pictures, send the receipts. They sell me. 

That's it. How do you manage the guys, right? Or I don't know if you have any female employees either, but how do you manage the guys? What's your hiring process like and what kind of stuff, what are the standards that you hold them to? So the way I hire now is you have to be recommended for now. Okay. 

You know? Because then that would hold the person that recommended you accountable. Be like, do it. This is a good job. 

I pay my guys well. So I'm hoping that if you recommend anybody, you're responsible for them. I'm not too hard of a boss. 

And I'm not the type of guy, you need to do this, you need to do that. I always have a conversation the night before. Like, hey, listen, this guy has a lot of expensive stuff. 

He's a good friend. And then we go from there. I try to treat everybody like a friend, which everybody tells me not to, but it's been working. 

It's been working because why would you want to backstab your friend or make them look bad? Yeah. Go with what works, bro. Yeah. 

So it's been working out. What is it like balancing? And I know we were just talking about balancing, but balancing being a father, because you seem like you're very engaged as a father. Yeah. 

Oh, that's my... And setting the example and also running the business. It's hard. Running the business, it's like a 24 hour job. 

Like I literally stay up to... So, all right. My day consists of gym, getting the truck, getting the equipment, meeting the guys. And then, you know, when my son's home, making sure that he has his time, we'll play games. 

I'll watch him play video games on his little tablet or whatever. We'll do something together. But then after all that's done, I have to then spend time with my partner. 

So that consists of telling each other about our days, watching a movie, just spending quality time. After all that's done and everyone's asleep, then I go back to work. Back to work. 

You know, I'm kind of used to it. Invoices, advertising, paying guys, learning new things before whatever job comes up. So, it's tough. 

But, you know. Yeah. And I'm very... Yeah. 

I am very well-versed in it. I've tried my best to do like what I was telling you earlier, the most important thing, make sure you knock that down. Yeah. 

What I will find is that business will always be there and the relationships not necessarily so much. Yeah. And that's what I don't... That's what I'm trying to avoid. 

Especially when it comes... Like your son's going to be there, right? Yeah. But you want to make sure that he has the best six-year-old version of life. Because I'm never going to get this back. 

Exactly. I'm never going to get this back. And I'm being proactive about it. 

But I'm also explaining to him too, I work a lot. This is not going to be forever. This is because I want to provide for you. 

I want to get a big house. I want to get you a car when you go or college or whatever the case may be. And I explain it to my girlfriend as well. 

I explain it to Fancy. I'm like, listen, I know I'm working like crazy, but it's not going be forever. I'm going to take care of you. 

We're going to have a great life. This is what I need to do. And she's very supportive. 

This is the season of life that you're in. Yeah. She's supportive. 

As long as I take her to Fancy dinners and buy her things once in a while. Now that girl, she's amazing. It seems like she does a lot of cooking. 

Oh my God. Dude, every time I open up your story, it's like you're showing me something new. Sometimes I get scared because I feel like I'm in trouble. 

Because she even cooks while she's mad. I'm like, it looks good. But what's in it? Why don't you take a bite first? Yeah. 

Because her thing is, she's Dominican. And I feel like that culture, you need to feed your man no matter what. So she'll set it up. 

Way to a man's heart is through his stomach. And she's got me, dude. Sometimes she gets me so upset and then I smell what's burning in that kitchen and I'm like, fuck. 

That seems like a healthy relationship though. It is. From what I can see on socials.

And one thing that I've learned while she's helping me learn is we communicate a lot. We communicate a lot. She doesn't like to go to sleep angry. 

That's important. That's something my dad told me. But see, the thing too is I feel like I'm kind of stubborn. 

I just need my space, which she gives to me. And then sometimes I'm like, you're exhausted from your day. You're like, I don't want to talk about this. 

This is going to require too much energy. But I don't end up regretting it. We don't go to sleep angry, which is great. 

Plus she has the little Spanish accent. I'm like, this is why. This is why I'm with you. 

But she's amazing. Before any big endeavors, even like today on the podcast, I wasn't feeling too well. I was exhausted because I was working almost 24 hours a day. 

And then she called me twice. After I saw her text, I was like, I'm not going to pick it up. I'm sorry, babe. 

I wasn't. I told him too. Yeah, he did tell me she sends a text. 

Pick up. I was like, shit. All right.

I got to go outside because I got to sound tough around the guys. But outside, I'm like, yes, babe. She was like, you're going to have a great podcast. 

You're going to kill it. There we go. She just pumps me up. 

She makes me feel like I can take over the world. That's awesome. That's super important having a partner by your side that is there to lift you up, especially when you're not.

I'm telling you, there's times where sometimes I don't come home. I'm working like three jobs in a day, and the next job starts at five. I already have the truck. 

I'll sleep in the truck. I'll fold the blankets. I'll eat breakfast. 

I'll watch a movie. I'll pass out. There was one video where I slept in the truck and just opened it up, and the guys were there.

I think I saw on social. I think I saw one of those. I slept in the truck so I won't be late.

You can get away with that in the summertime. You would think she would get mad. She gets a little annoyed because she wants me to be like anybody. 

You want to sleep with your partner, but she understands that it's for a bigger purpose. That's awesome, man. I see here that one thing I've noticed about you is that you stay calm.

How do you keep the clients calm? Do you get any neurotic customers, and they're just very

Right, and then you come in with your crew, and so how do you navigate that? It's a mixture of things. You learn how to read clients as time goes on. It's all experience. 

In the beginning, like, sometimes it's a headache, like, please don't break this, please don't break that, please. You feel like saying, alright, my intentions were I wasn't gonna come here and break everything, but now that you said that, I'll be extra careful. But you learn because, you know, there's, um, you know, sometimes it's their first time moving, or they do have expensive stuff.

They've never used movers before. Their kids are around. So you just have to take that in consideration, and after a while of dealing with that, you're like, alright, now I know where to categorize you. 

I know how to handle you, and we'll take it from there. Sometimes I just joke around. Jokes make everybody feel, like, you know, comfortable.

So if somebody's like, please, I don't want you to break this and that. This is super expensive. I'm like, damn it.

Alright, guys, we can't break anything. You just messed up my whole day. And then they'll be like, I want you to pack it this way. 

I was like, no, we're not packing that. We're throwing it out the window, right? And then they'll just start chuckling and laughing, and then you just got to remind them, listen, I am a mover, but I'm also, you know, I have a life, too. I understand what you're going through, and I'm gonna take care of yourself.

Is that how you sort of build that initial trust? Yeah. Yeah, and from the, from the moment that I text you, I'll try to make you feel comfortable. You know, I'll joke around with you.

I don't, there's always, you just got to, like, pay attention to the openings, you know, like, sometimes people are like, hey, listen, I didn't pick up your phone call because I'm here with my kid. And I'll be like, oh, my God, I have a kid, too. There's such a pain. 

Oh, my God, right. And then you just build that rapport and that opening. And then, you know, so it works out.

I'm pretty good. I think that's one of my gifts, just like, you know, making people feel comfortable. Yeah, dude, it's super important, like, because, listen, obviously, you need to be a good mover.

Yeah, you need to be skilled as a business owner. Yeah, you need to have all of these things in line. But if your personality is that of, like, somebody that is like this table, instead of warm and inviting, you're not going to get no business. 

Yeah. And see, and that or you will get business, but it's not going to get the referral. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

And that's one of the things that I meet a bunch of different people every day, you know, and I'm a people person. I love to be, you know, I love to have conversations. I love to be around people. 

I love to joke around, you know, so this is this is a good business. And I'm really good at moving. I have OCD.

I wrap everything. Like, you have to see me. I wrap something like, damn, that was good.

You know, I take pictures about it all the time. Yeah, I mean, dude, I it's interesting because, like, I see you, right. And you would be you would be considered a small business owner. 

Yeah. But you're going up against some real titans. You're going up against a lot. 

Like, I'm not going to name these companies and name your competition here. But there's some pretty large companies out there. How do you differentiate yourself from the pack? And how do you grow to to get to that point? Or do you aspire to be that point? Or like, where do I do? You know, what's so crazy? I don't know. 

Because I want to be a big company. But I feel like that's going to take away from who I am. Because I don't know. 

I like to be involved in all the moves. So people could be like, he's such a cool guy, you know, but I think that's another reason why I love to be on all my moves. But what I am going to start doing, too, is that since I can't be on all of them, I'm going to start like popping up and introducing myself. 

Well, that initial so that initial phone call, right, like when somebody first comes in, like if you're like that, like you have somebody answer the call. But then when the estimate comes, hey, look, my name is Ozzy. I'm the owner of the company. 

Yeah, I'm not going to be there. But my guy, this person, this person will be there. And you have my personal number in case of any issues to be able to reach out to me that those larger companies, if they have the owner of those companies calling those clients, I think those those larger companies are doing 50 to 100 moves. 

Yeah. If you if you scaled yourself to a point where you're doing five to 10 moves. Yeah, a day and you have five to 10 crews. 

I guess that's how you would really scale. Right. Yeah. 

The more crews you have that are active, more trucks, I guess, on the road. And if you just still stayed in touch with the client like that would go away. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, I want it to be I want everyone to feel like family. 

I think that's important because that's what's going to make the business stay around. Yeah, for sure. Stay around forever. 

You know, so I don't want to lose that. So I don't know what I want right now, because you can also just build a set like McDonald's. Yeah. 

You know what I mean? McDonald's fries, no matter where you go, they taste the same. Yes. That's because they have a system. 

Yeah. So if I can build that system and teach the guys and have them understand and be on the same page, I think I'll be fine. But that's later on. 

It's all aligned with you setting the values and the goals from the beginning from the day you hire them. Hey, look, this is what our company is. This is what our ethos is. 

This is what our culture is. It's everybody's a family. Yeah. 

If you drill that into them from day one, every client is like family. Yes. Every client is like family. 

So that way when they're in a tough situation where it's like, hey, I ran out of rap or whatever, and I think I'll get away with not rapping that TV. Yeah. Wait a second. 

Would you do that? Would you do that for your mom? Yeah. No. And you know what's so funny? I just had this conversation with one of the new guys that I just hired because he's good. 

He's just, you know, he hasn't been around me long enough. He was recommended. But he was like, yeah, it's fine. 

Don't worry about it. It's not going to break. I was like, no, this is not how we do it.

If you go back to when you use that line, right? Like, dude, everybody's family. Yeah. It changes the dynamic and it forces them, or at least subconsciously, when they're making those decisions, they'll be like, wait a second. 

Everybody's like family. I can't do this. Yeah. 

And hopefully you would hope that if you instill that culture enough, it will then lead into better decisions and a better experience for everybody. And then they become like family. Yep. 

And that's what I want. It's going to happen, man. Bro, you're on your way, my man. 

You're on your way. Talk to me about real estate. I mean, I know that you had gotten into moving from real estate. 

Any plans to, I know you said you're going to merge the two somehow. Do you find that you're not able to put as much time into real estate now because you're growing the moving company? Yes. Yes. 

Because this is taking up a lot of my time. I mean, from morning to night, like I said, to like one, two in the morning, but real estate's like a different breed. Like you need to dedicate just as much time. 

This is not something where, you can just plan to work for like 30 minutes and like, nah, you're good. This takes like networking, going out, being involved, letting people know that you exist. And that's what I'm doing with the moving company, with sponsorships, networking events and all that other stuff.

But I put a hold on that for now. I'm going to basically continue it next year because I do have plans for the winter to start differently next summer. The guys are going to be on their own. 

I'm still going to be there, but I'm going to start focusing more on real estate. But real estate, I love it. My mom was the one that got me into it. 

And your mom is still active? My mom's not. No, unless you're recommended. Unless someone recommends you to her. 

She's like, she's done. Like she's hustled for like freaking 30 years. She was good. 

Yeah. She took us on a lot of vacations. We always had like the newest cars. 

I was like, damn, my mom's a sugar mom. She's killing it. I got my work ethic from my mom. 

She had me when she was about 16. And I remember her working crazy hours. Very similar to maybe the situation your son is in? Yeah, but you know what? She was home every time to help me with homework. 

She would always hang out with me. We were playing Nintendo 64. I think that's what it was. 

Donkey Kong. She didn't know what she was doing, but she was there. And we used to always watch movies together. 

Ace Ventura was big. I used to watch the same movie. I hated that movie. 

I hated Pet Detective. There was times where my mom, I remember she was like sad about certain things. And I used to, you know, when he used to talk with his ass, I'd be like, mom, are you okay? So I remember stuff like that. 

I hated Pet Detective. And my computer just died, so we're freestyling. But I hated Pet Detective. 

I hated Jim Carrey. I wasn't a big Jim Carrey fan. The only Jim Carrey movie I liked was Liar Liar. 

Liar Liar was dope. When he like punches himself in the face. I was just thinking about that. 

My favorite scene. Do you mind? I'm kicking my own ass. Oh man. 

So growing up, you grew up in a very similar situation, I guess coming from parents that were working, your mom that was working that your son is in right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it seems like you have a great relationship with your mom and that you had a great childhood. 

She's another, she's another one. Like she's a, I speak to her every morning. Like if I'm feeling some type of way, she's another one that's like all positivity.

The world can be burning. She's like, you're going to be all right. You're Ozzy. 

Don't forget who you are. I'm like, damn. Don't forget where you come from. 

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So she's another one. 

She's my number one supporter. Like I said, I talk to her all the time. Any issues that I have, it's like her, my sister, and my girlfriend. 

I call them the three witches. The three witches, bro. And they all agree on, if they all agree, I'm like, all right, I'm going to go for it. 

All right. You know, so. And so you have one, how many other siblings? You have one sister? You have any other siblings? I have two brothers. 

Are you oldest, youngest? Yeah, I'm the oldest. You're the oldest. Okay. 

So everybody looked up to you growing up. Heck no. Everybody did their own thing. 

The only one that, my other brother, he's always busy. He's in stocks. He's like CEO of Cinedel. 

And then my other brother, Andrew, is graduating from North Carolina and he's going to do the same thing as my brother. I think that he just got hired for the same company. And then your sister. 

So we all did our own thing. It's just like, you know, so. What does your sister do? She works for, she works from home for like an insurance company or for a doctor or something.

Not for a doctor. Okay. Handling insurance and bills and all that other stuff. 

I secretly think she doesn't do anything because every time I call her, she's always available. Be like, hey, do you have a second to talk? Yeah. What's up? So. 

Oh man. So growing up in the Bronx, anything that you had growing up in the Bronx help you with business and any lessons that you might've learned along the way? Growing up in the Bronx, I think it just made me tougher to like not take shit. There you go. 

So maybe in that aspect. Yeah. But I changed a lot when we moved to Manhattan. 

Yeah. What do you mean? It's just different. My thing is it's the people that are around you in the Bronx. 

It was all about like hanging out in the park, staying in front of the building to like fricking one o'clock in the morning while these guys were rolling dice, we're playing tag and all this other stuff. And then I kept coming back to that on weekends. I was staying with my grandmother because I felt comfortable there. 

Yeah. But then when I got friends over there, things changed. It was more like, yeah, we were playing basketball, but after that we were studying on Sunday to go back to school. 

Oh wow. Yeah. It was completely different. 

That sounds very different to me. It was a completely different vibe. That sounds very different to me. 

Yeah. It was a completely different vibe, but it changed me and it definitely did save me because I would have went the complete opposite way. If you were to stay in the Bronx. 

Yeah. Yeah. It's tough, man. 

Especially like growing up, you know, you said you grew up around Yankee Stadium. I mean, that's not like one of the most conducive areas for especially like, you know, teenagers growing up, males, like you can get into a whole lot of trouble. Yeah. 

You could end up going one way or the other, or, you know, especially if you're like a good kid and you come from a good family and you're, you know, you're succumbing to potentially peer pressure and things of that nature. So, I mean, kudos to your mom for getting you out of that. She got me out. 

But you know, what's funny is I still, it's funny cause we make fun of, uh, sorry for my brother, Andrew, but I gotta say this. So I wanted my son to see where I grew up. So I took him back there. 

I still go back there. Actually, what I do too, is some of the guys that are there, I take them out, give them a couple of jobs and then take them back. I pick them up from the block. 

Yeah. So that's one of the things that I really want to do. You inspired me and Dave inspired me because you guys are always, you guys are awesome. 

Like I've learned a lot. Appreciate that. Thank you. 

So, um, I took him, I took him back there and, um, he was playing basketball with these kids, playing tag and he actually got into his first fight. Really? Yeah. Oh boy. 

I was like, oh yes, this is what I want. But he came to me crying. He was like, what do I do? I was like, fight back. 

I stopped it immediately because he was like, all right. He grabbed the scooter. I was like, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, no, you don't bring weapons. 

But after that they became friends. They were teaching him how to play, play baseball and stuff. And then after that he was like, I want to keep going back. 

And my worst fear was like, I don't want him to come to places like and think that it's, there's, you can find some good. Yeah. There's good people. 

There's absolutely good. You know? So my brother was never, you know, exposed to that. So now when we visit my grandmother, I'm like, yo, you want to come upstairs? He's like, nope. 

Click. He locks the doors and stuff. Cause he doesn't know. 

So, you know, I wanted my son to like experience. That's important. You know, like I, you know, for me, like the Bronx kind of like growing up in the neighborhood, like it, it, it built the character and the person of who you are that, especially I don't take no shit mentality. 

Yeah. Yeah. Like you, it's not something you're just born with.

Yeah. Right. Like if you grew up in a different community, like you don't necessarily have that and everything is given to you and you never have to struggle. 

Yeah, dude. You, once you see that and you know, people that struggle and you hear these stories, you're like, damn, I really don't want to go through that. You know? I was just fortunate enough to get the opportunity to get out there and then do something, do something with it. 

You know, do you see your, uh, do you see your son potentially following in your footsteps? He wants to, yeah, he wants to, man. He was like, yeah, I want to move people. I want to do, I want to help people find homes. 

I got to get him a little shirt, man. Oh yeah. You have to have a shirt. 

No, I have to get it for him. I've been slacking dude. I need, I'm going to get him a shirt next week, bro. 

You've been slacking. I finally got my sweatshirt today. I know dude. 

Cause I didn't know what I want, what color I wanted for the winter. Paralysis by analysis, homeboy. That's what it is, bro. 

You're just like, I feel like you have like this perfectionist. I do. I do. 

I overthink everything. It's so, that's why I have the three witches. Like seriously, I overthink the littlest things cause I want everything to be perfect, you know? So, um, if you had some sort of advice to offer, uh, somebody who wanted to potentially start a moving company or any sort of business, what would you give them? Be patient. 

Um, get ready for a lot of work. And then, um, let me see. Make sure you have some money in the beginning. 

Don't be cheap with your supplies. Yeah. You know, don't be cheap with your supplies and do your research because in the beginning, I mean, I still have great prices, but a job where I could have charged like a thousand and it still would have been good. 

I would charge like 500 because I didn't know. Yeah. But at the same time I was like, you know what? I'm, I'm willing to take that because I, again, nobody knew who I was, so I had to kind of build that reputation. 

Now I have like 30 fricking, uh, reviews on Google. I have a bunch of people saying that I'm great. Um, I have a website, I have like this and that. 

And so I have proof of how good I am so I can afford to like pick Those Google reviews are going to pay off tremendously for you. Like I'm telling you, dude, like Google owns YouTube, right? So we're going to talk very happy, probably about them right now because they're going to, they're listening to this, but Google, like those Google reviews, they don't cost anything. Every time you do a move, you need to have something set up where they automatically get a text and an email and build those reviews up, bro. 

Cause like 30 is great. Yeah. Right. 

But like, you should like have, I want a hundred. You should want a thousand. Yeah. 

Two thousand, three, like set a number between now and December 31st of this year. Right. Today is like a early September shooting. 

So you have like four months. How many reviews can you get in four months? A hundred. I want to get at least another hundred.

Yeah. So I think what I'm going to do too is because people have to be motivated to do it, you know? So I think I'm, I'm, what I'm going to do is as soon as, uh, as soon as, you know, the movie's over, I'm gonna be like, listen, you'll get like $20 off if you leave a honest review right now. You know, because sometimes once the movie is over and you know, you have to unpack and do all that stuff. 

People are like, Oh, I'll just do it later. And you can't hound them. So I'm just going to be like, you leave a good review right now, $20 off or 30, something like that. 

Well, figure out a way that works for you. That doesn't really necessarily cost you so much if it's a discount, if it's like a $10 coupon, whatever it may be. But I feel like when you, when, when, if you have the automation set up, right, the auto text, the auto email that reminds them to leave a review and then, Hey, click this button.

Dude, you know, I know. You know, I'm not tech savvy. You help me with everything.

I know. I know. But what was it? What was the thing that you asked me? You, you asked me something.

Was it the Google form or was it that? Was it the Google form? No, it was the Google form, which thank God you did that because somebody, this is so intuitive. I was like, I know. Right. 

But you helped me with everything, but there was something that you asked me one time and you were like, do you know how to do that? And I knew you were being sarcastic and I honestly did not know how to do it. So I YouTubed it and I was like, yeah, I know how to do that. I forgot what, it was something so simple. 

Oh, you asked me, do you know how to collab on Instagram? And in my mind, I was like, he knows, I don't know how to collab. I did not know that. Yeah. 

No. So I, I Googled it. I was going to ask Vanessa cause she's good at that. 

I was like, no, I'm not going to ask her cause then she's going to tell him, let me just YouTube it. I was going to ask my son cause he's like, he knows everything about that stuff. What would you be, what would you consider to be like the heaviest, or like the biggest challenge that you've had so far, like building this business? The biggest challenge so far. 

I don't know. Um, the biggest challenge, biggest challenge in the moving industry. Yeah. 

Or, I mean, even in the real estate industry, just listen, starting business in general. Yeah. What would think would be the biggest challenge that you faced and overcome? I think what I mentioned before, not being able to go on all the jobs.

Yeah. I want to be everywhere. So I need to figure out, I just need to train the guys and trust them.

That's it. Because I don't want to lose, like, is it the stigma of my company? Like the, the, the culture of my company. Yes, there it is.

I don't want to lose the cult. I want everybody to feel, there's two guys that are like me. Um, but they try to emulate a lot of stuff. 

Like with the joking, like there's some, there's some people that I don't know. I just, I'm telling you, I just have that gift where I walk in, I look at the guy and I'm like, all right, I can get away with certain things. And there's been situations where like the guy's like, all right, what do you want me to do? I was like, well, you could have moved this shit yourself and they'll start cracking up.

And then the guys, when we're alone, be like, did you just tell him to move his own shit? I was like, yeah, but he's mad cool. Don't worry. He's fine. 

So now I have the guys coming in and it's like this, I'm not going to mention his name, but I was like, yo, you take it over, like, you know, do this stuff. And then I'll just pretend like I'm one of the guys. Um, and it was like a single mom and it was like the worst thing ever. 

I felt so like, I was like, fuck, we're going to get kicked out. She's like, is there anything? Well, you could have moved this shit yourself. I was like, oh man, should have never done. 

She was like, oh, I'm so sorry. Should I like help put by? I was like, no, he's just joking. He has like a dry sense of humor. 

She's like, oh my God, thank God. He came to me, he's like, I'm never doing that again. Creating the culture, buddy. 

Time and place for jokes. If you don't know, if you can joke. Just don't do it. 

Don't do it. Do not do it. When did you realize, uh, when did you realize like, wow, this shit is working and I'm growing when I got on the right trajectory when I got like back to back, um, jobs. 

First, when I first started out, I was like, there's no way I'm going to get a job more than like a thousand dollars or which kind of sucks because like friends like Dave are always telling me not to limit myself. And you know, that's a limiting mindset. But the thing too is like, you look at a guy like Dave and you're like, yeah, don't limit yourself because look where you are, you know, but you kind of forget like, all right, but you got to remember where he's been. 

He's, you know, but if you don't know where he's been, yeah, but now you do because now he has the podcast, which I think is great. You have the podcast. So now it helps when I listen to your podcast and people that have been on your show to his podcast, you start hearing stories and you're like, fuck, I'm not the only one.

And that shit motivates you. And like, you know, and then you hear Dave talking about certain things. And, you know, I've been his friend for a while. 

So I know the things that he's been through and where he's at now. And I'm like, shit, you know, he's had it pretty rough and like he's made it out and it motivates you. But, um, yeah. 

You, uh, you know, the interesting part is that you never know. Like, so for example, like I met you and I met Dave. So you guys, like you guys have lived a whole lives before. 

So I only know you as one version. Yeah. You're lucky. 

You didn't meet us before. We probably would have got along. There would have been no podcast. 

We probably would have got along pretty well based on some of the stories that I've heard. It was so wild, but like, it's just part of growing up and really like becoming who you are. And some people don't grow. 

Some people don't grow. Some people don't get to that point and they stay in the clubs and stay, you know, with the, with the alcohol and the, you know, do you look on social media now? I don't know if it's just me. I'm pretty sure it's not just me, but do you look on social media and you see people like popping bottles, going crazy, showing off their Rollies and you're like, what are you doing, bro? But then I look at old videos and it was just, that was me. 

Yeah. I, um, I think it's different because we didn't really have social media as much as it is now. Like we, I had social media, of course, but when I was clubbing, I was clubbing in my twenties. 

Yeah. 20 years ago, I was clubbing. I stopped clubbing when I was like probably late twenties, maybe early thirties. 

I couldn't even imagine walking into a club right now. That loud music. Yeah. 

So it's not just me. Okay. It's loud. 

They don't even dance. So my, my clubs do. Oh my God, dude. 

The club culture is not the culture that I remember. We didn't go. It was a lounge. 

It was a lounge, but not this lounge. So it's so, and I was like, am I getting old? Because my girl, she likes to dance like salsa and all that other stuff. So we went and it was so loud and she's trying to talk to me. 

I was like, are you serious? Like at some point I wanted to go to the DJ and be like, can you just lower it a little bit, bro? Like it doesn't have to be that loud. And then she's probably talking to you and you're like, yo, I can't hear you. Don't even bother talking. 

Yeah. Just text me, man. Just text me, dude. 

Like I want to get out of here. And she's like, I want to dance. I'm not doing anything. 

Oh, you can't even buy drinks. You got to buy bottles. Everything is bottle service and just sitting on couches. 

Yeah. That's not the club days that I remember. But to answer your question, I do see people flexing on social media and that was me, right? It was me with the pant leg up and the ski goggles. 

So yes, that was me too, bro. But it's, you know, now I look at my life and I'm like, Friday, like Friday night, today's Saturday, right? Last night I was in bed by 10 o'clock. Yeah. 

That's a blessing. I used to, I was telling my fiance, I was telling Jen last night, I'm like, yo, babe, like I'm in bed, we're both in bed. It was 10 o'clock. 

I'm like, this is usually the time that we'd go out and pregame. Yeah. When I was growing up, like in my twenties and early thirties, like you'd pregame at about 10 o'clock for an hour or two. 

And then you'd go down to the city. Yeah. You know, cause I grew up in the Bronx. 

It was like, we had to either take a cab down or we took the train down or whatever. And then by the time you got to the club at 1230, one o'clock in the morning, you already half, half in the bag. Yeah. 

Probably, you know, like whatever, smoking, drinking, whatever it is. And then you sit and you stay there till four, four 30 in the morning and then you get home and the sun's coming up. Yeah. 

I could not imagine you. Now I get up before the sun comes up. Yeah, dude. 

If I stay up past one, I'm dead, dude. Like if I, if I'm out somewhere like hanging out or with friends or whatever and past one o'clock, I'm like, I'm never getting up. Yeah. 

This is like, I know you, um, just to kind of transition a little bit, you, I want to do something just a little bit fun. Okay. Right. 

So we're going to do like this or that. Right. So we're going to go, let's see here. 

Let me just find it here. I wrote all these things out and then my computer died. Boom, boom. 

Nah, I think I got it right here. Here we go. So when you're moving, okay. 

Uh, short, short move or long distance relocation, short moves. Okay. Packing yourself or this is not a good question because this is letting the movers do it. 

You want okay. Um, community move or business move community moves. Okay. 

Um, 10 man job, two man job, two man jobs. Yeah. You don't have to worry about like the other nine guys, two man jobs. 

And it's fun. 10 man jobs are great. But when it's just like you and a person that you get along with and you're moving stuff and all that, it's, it's fun. 

We'll get like, I'll get like, uh, one of my close friends, Rob too. I'm he's on my social media a lot. I love, we have a blast to the point where we start hanging out with the client and we completely forget about the move, you know? So we're like, Oh crap. 

We got two other jobs. We got to go. Yeah. 

Yeah. And you start getting cool with the, with the, with the, yeah. And it's fun, man.

It's fun. So that's a perfect example of like how it's not necessarily so profitable, but it's fun. It's fun. 

Yeah, man. Um, summer barbecue or winter chill. Summer barbecues, beach house, mountain cabin, mountain cabin, sunrise or sunset sunrise. 

Hmm. He has a big one. Yankees or Mets Yankees. 

Cause of my dad. There we go. Good. 

Good. I'm glad you answered that so we could actually publish this podcast. Yeah. 

My dad would have walked right into that door. The who? Um, sneakers or dress shoes, dress shoes, leg day or chest day, chest day, all day. Every day is chest day and bicep day.

Grunge gym or, um, uh, or, or, or, or franchise gym. What was the, what was the first grunge? Grunge. Yeah. 

Or grunge gym. Yeah. Yeah. 

I noticed that health is a big part of your life too. Yeah. Has that always been like that? No, Dave. 

Really? Yeah, dude. I was a slob. Really? I don't even know why he was my friend. 

That dude saved me. That's one big thing that, um, I realized it's, it's important to have good people in your circle. That's, that's what made me my friends. 

Mark, I don't have, I know a lot of people. I don't have a lot of friends. I know a lot, but Mark and Dave have been, um, huge. 

Mark Carter, you know, Mark, right? Mark Carter. I don't. He's, he's my other brother. 

But, um, those two saved me. They've been there through the worst time of my life. Wow. 

Yeah. That's important. But Dave, Dave has changed me dramatically. 

Like with health, the way I think depression or like, you know, he's been there through a lot, a lot. So what keeps you so focused on your health, especially given all the business and, and, you know, being, being so busy and you're doing 24 hour jobs or you're, how do you find time for your health? Um, because you're no stranger to the gym selfie. Nah, I gotta make sure, I gotta make sure people know I went because people are like, you work all the time. 

You don't go to the gym. Yes. Proof right here. 

And I don't even like taking pictures. I just got to let it be known that I went to, I got it in today. That's it.

I stay there for a while. This guy, this guy, you and Dave, both shout out to Dave, but you guys both like with your gym selfies. I'm like, yo, God bless man. 

Yeah. I'll salute. We used to do back in the day, him and I used to do funny videos, like flexing. 

I don't know if you ever seen those. Like I would open the, uh, the locker door and be like, yeah. And just flex my bicep.

These are the new doors that were installed that way. But then he would like flex his traps and I can't see what's behind me. He's like, yo, did you see the new patio? That, uh, we used to do a lot of dumb stuff. 

What do you want people to say about Ozzy after you're gone? And I want you to take a minute to think about this, like long gone, 50 years from now, 20 years from now, whatever, not, not hopefully not 20, but a hundred years from now, well, after you're gone, what kind of impact do you want to have on this world? And what do you want people to say about you? I want to, and this is, this is new because I was thinking about this before. I want them to say that they can depend on me, you know, because one, like I said, the scheduling and all that other stuff, like I would commit to something, but if like a job comes up, then I would want to do the job. I got to stop doing that. 

Once I commit to something, I just have to go full throttle with it. And that's it. Like, no matter what, even if it's a $15,000 job, I can't do it because I already promised this person that, um, I'm going to be there and I'm guilty of it. 

And that this new year coming, it's not going to happen anymore. You know? Cause for instance, sometimes I'll tell, um, fancy my girlfriend, like we're going to go to dinner this day, but then a huge job comes up.